Hare Krishna!

(H. Krishna Susarla) wrote:

>>  It does not make sense for them to be.
>
>Not to you maybe. To me it makes perfect sense.
>
>It is said; acintyah  khalu ye bhava na tams tarkena yojayet.
>
>>"One shoud not try to understand that which is inconceivable by
>>ordinary mundane logic."

>In that case, why are you using mundane logic to assume that the Vedas must
>be authored texts simply because all other books also have authors??? You
>just defeated yourself.

I don't assume the Vedas to have an author because other books also
have an author. I assume the Vedas to have an author because it is
stated in the Vedas that nothing can exist independently of the
Supreme. Krishna says, aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam
pravartate. Krishna says that everything emanates from Him and has
it's origin in Him.

When you claim that the Vedas are not authored by God it sounds to me
like you are saying that something can exist independently of God. If
you think that something can exist independently of Krishna or is
beyond Him, please explain why you think so.

If you don't think so, why do hold the opinion that the Vedas do not
come from God or is not authored by Him?

>I find it ironic that you quote this verse, which proves that God did not
>create the jivas, 

How does the verse I quoted prove that Krishna didn't create the
jivas? I'm not saying that He did, I just wonder how you arrived at
that conclusion from the verse quoted.

>yet you still do not accept that God did not create the
>Vedas, who are also living entities themselves.

I do of course accept that the Vedas are eternal and therefore not
created. Does that mean that they are not authored by God? Does that
mean that they exist independent of God, or are above Him?

Are the Vedas not the words of the Supreme? How then can you say that
they are not authored by Him? Is God not the author of His own words?

From Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.40

vedo narayanah saksat svayambhur iti susruma.

"The Vedas are directly the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Narayana,
and are self-born."

From Srila Prabhupada's purport:

Dharma is not actually manufactured by Narayana. As stated in the
Vedas, asya mahato bhutasya nisvasitam etad yad rg-vedah iti: the
injunctions of dharma emanate from the breathing of Narayana, the
supreme living entity. Narayana exists eternally and breathes
eternally, and therefore dharma, the injunctions of Narayana, also
exist eternally. Srila Madhvacarya, the original acarya for those who
belong to the Madhva-Gaudiya-sampradaya, says:

vedanam prathamo vakta harir eva yato vibhu,
ato visnv-atmaka veda ity ahur veda-vadinah.

The transcendental words of the Vedas emanated from the mouth of the
Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore the Vedic principles should
be understood to be Vaishnava principles because VISNU IS THE ORIGIN
OF THE VEDAS.

Regards


/Jahhnu
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