======== Newsgroups: alt.atheism Subject: Re: A Serous Question From: Jahnu@wineasy.se (Jahnu dasa) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:22:02 GMT Smedley wrote: >Jahnu@wineasy.se (Jahnu dasa) wrote: >>You may have an easy time doing away with the arguments of the >>Christians. After all what do they know about God? But please remember >>that theism is not synonymous with Christianity. A misconception many >>atheists seem to suffer from. >I think you are the one with the misconception. It appears to YOU that >this is the case because you are looking atheists responding to posts >and threads originally written by CHRISTIANS. Atheists do not believe >in gods. Christian or otherwise. Ok. But all the objections you usually put forward to not believe in God, are, as I see it, mostly directed towards the Christian version of God, based on the Bible. These objections are easily done away with or resolved if faced with the Vedic version of God. As Nietzsche put it: "I'd believe in a God that would dance." So while the good Nietzsche rejected the Christian concept of God he would certainly have believed in Krishna, Who in the Vedas is described as the greatest dancer, had he been provided with the proper knowledge. >>Why do I preach in an atheistic conference? Because it pisses me off >>like anything to see how a bunch of atheists with their more or less >>brain dead arguments try to make the purpose of life null and void, by >>having us think that the only thing to look forward to is to rot and >>die. >Can you give an example of a brain dead arguement? Imagine that big, big professors in big, big universities seriously entertain the idea that everything emanates from a point, a singularity, and that this singularity existed in a situation of no time or space. Wouldn't you say this is quite brain dead? I mean, even a 5 year old child can understand that something comes from something and that nothing comes from nothing. Of course these professors should actually be given partial credit for their wild speculations since it is explained in the Vedas that the universes do indeed come out in seed forms from the exhaling of Maha Vishnu and that they are again contracted into His body when He inhales. In the interim - in the beginning - there is no material time or space. But there was always spiritual time - eternality - and spiritual space - infinity. To view everything materially, with no spiritual basis, is actually quite brain dead, wouldn't you agree? Please describe a situation in which there is no space, no nothing. Please describe it, eh? Everything is solid, or what? What's it like? Please give some evidence. You won't believe in an intelligent creator, even though it is obvious that nature is intelligently created, but you'll believe in brain dead speculations like that. You say you don't believe in God because you see no evidence of His existence. Then why believe in the above nonsense? Do you see any evidence of no time or space? >>Also I have to admit that I enjoy establishing the superiority of the >>ancient Vedic philosophy. I so to speak get a kick out of it, and it >>is not true that nobody changes their minds. >True enough, I know of at least 3 ex-Krishna's who think that the whole >experience was a waste of time. They certainly changed their minds. Well, I know of thousands of Krishnas who think it wasn't a waste of time, who didn't change their minds, and who didn't leave. That would seem to contradict your lame objection, wouldn't it?. I know of thousands of atheists, myself included, who changed their minds and became Hare Krishnas. What does that tell you? I Know thousands of Hare Krishnas who are the most blissful and satisfied people I've seen and who have been living in celebacy for 20-30 years. They are satisfied simply being engaged in Krishna's service, chanting His name and dedicating all their activities to Him. What does that tell you? Of course, in the beginning it is not so easy to give up the most precious enjoyment, sex life - I myself is struggling with that - so it is not so wondrous, that some find the process too stringent and leave. But I never encountered any ex-Hare Krishnas who said that their experience was a waste of time. Nobody who has ever tasted the nectar of Krishna's name will ever feel that. And nobody in this universe has ever been able to defeat the Vaishnava philosophy, so what's your point? >>Some people do come >>around and start to think more closely as to what constitutes reality >>when they are being introduced into the Vedic version. >And some people are introduced to the Vedic version, preach it for years, >and then decide that it was not worth the bother. Really? I think you are just full of garbage. Who are those people? -Jahnu http://webcom.com/~ara/col/vv.html http://www.users.wineasy.se/storm/ http://www-ece.rice.edu/~vijaypai/hkindex.html