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Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: A Serous Question
From: Jahnu@wineasy.se (Jahnu dasa)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:50:18 GMT

Mark Kimes <mkimes@softdisk.com> wrote:

>An astrophysicist and/or cosmologist would be the one to make such   
>statements, but, of course, they don't.

Come on, they certainly do. I read books by scientists in which this
is exactly what they propose.

> Jahnu boogered it up (no surprise). 

I didn't. I read it in scientific books. I paraphraze from memory as I
don't have the book at hand: "In the beginning there was nothing, not
even time or space. Now I know this sounds hard to believe...."   

>Remove the "and this singularity existed in a situation of no time or space"   
>for one thing.  And, for that matter, remove the whole bit about the   
>singularity.  Astrophysicists and cosmologists know full well that   
>relativity is a classical theory that doesn't apply when you closely   
>approach Event One. 

So how do they reconcile their speculations? You see that's why I
claim again and again that this is not science. It is simply
speculation. You would have no quarrel with me if you would just admit
to that fact. But these speculations are being presented in fancy
colorful magazines and school books as facts of scientific study. This
is what really pisses me off.

>> I don't think there is any scientist who believes that "something" comes 
>> from "nothing" 
> 
>Not really, no.  That's just Jahnu's way of stating his misconceptions about   
>"virtual particles."

So what's your conception of virtual particles, which by the way is
just another speculation?

-Jahnu


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