This one I haven't answered yet.
What would you say? If you like you can comment
on it.




Well, Jahnu's true colors are finally revealed.

He is a lunatic.


Jahnu@wineasy.se (Jahnu dasa) wrote:

>You mean like atheism? Who but a dog or a sheep would suggest that
>there is no meaning to life other than to rot and die, and in the mean
>time run around sniffing for sense gratification? Actually not even
>dogs or sheep do that. They simply snif around for sense
>gratification. Is that what you want to be? A dog?

I am an atheist.  I don't suggest that.  Have you been taking
straw-man lesson from John McCoy?  You are the one who assumes
that an afterlife is necessary in order for life to have meaning.

Heck, in your mind I'm sure it is and that is WHY you are religious.
Because you cannot deal with the truth: there is no afterlife
(well, at least there is no evidence for one)

>Why shouldn't I use a computer? I have to in order to counteract the
>brain dead propaganda oozing out from the atheistic propaganda machine
>like pus from an infested sore.

Oh, Jahnu Jahnu.  Do you not see the hypocrisy (funny its obvious to
all us ignorant atheists...)?  You say that all of science is ignorance.
Scientific minds using scientific methods have created the
medium by which you choose to preach.  So, you USE the fruits of
ignorance to provide truth to the ignorant.  Why bother?  You have
called modern science worthless.  Why do you then find worth in
worthlessness.  Your actions totally contradict your words.  If science
did not lead to anything good then you would not choose to use the 
fruits of science.  Yet you do.  Tell me, have you ever taken anti-biotics?
Have those medicines ever been tested on animals?  
>
>>Your life expectancy is
>>20 to 30 years longer than it was 100 years ago, thanks to the small
>>cult that is destroying the planet.
>
>You haven't a clue about how long people lived 100 years ago. You just
>gullibly accept anything they shove down your throat. You are simply a
>product of modern consumer society. 

And you call us ignorant!!?!?!?!?!?
What a fool you are!  There are height records of 100 years ago.
We don't even have to look at fossils.  There are medical histories.
There are photographs.  There are many many documentations of human
height 100 years ago.  
>
<snip>

>How do you know life has always been confused? After I gave aural
>reception to Krishna's message and added it to my life, it ceased to
>be confused. You, on the other hand, just state things blindly and
>expect us to accept your feeble outlook as some kind of divine
>revelation. Is that it?

Yet you seem to be completely confused here?  Maybe after you
became a Krishna you ceased to admit or notice your confusion.

>Modern material science is the culprit of providing people with no
>hope or meaning in life. 


Yet you use the internet.  Pathetic.

>All you can look forward to in that believe
>system is to rot and die and while you wait for that inevitable
>hopeless end, you should kindly buy as many as the gadgets they
>provide you with out of their causeless mercy and deep affection for
>humanity.

Its clear now why you became a lunatic and a Krishna.   You had
such a dim view of life and are unable to see the beauty of life
and the wonders of nature.  I love nature.  I love mystery.  I love
scientific discovery.  I love love.  I live for them.  I even like
gadgets, its true.  
>
<snip>

>Aren't we being a little emotional here?Is that supposed to be an
>intelligent statement? Did you investigate? Did you check anything out
>except what's on your TV screen? What's your foundation for saying
>that all religion is bullshit? Did you check out all religion? You are
>simply a tiny inexperienced teenager with cow dung for brains.
>

Wow "cow dung for brains"?  Does that sound like it would come from 
someone who is at peace with the universe?  Hey, that cows were
considered to be holy anyway...i guess you could do worse than
have holy-shit for brains  ;)

>Do you think that they would study the writings - which by the way
>were written in the most sophisticated and complex language known to
>mankind - by some goat ropers in all the major universities of the
>world?  Am I talking to an insect here or what? Why don't you go get
>yourself an education? Oh, I forgot, you don't need that here in
>alt.atheism, right?

Do I sense anger from one of the happiest people alive?
Thats weird, isn't it?

>This is a free forum for all kinds of unbacked, unfounded spewings
>from teenagers with no goal or aim in life, right?

Wrong.  (yes, your intuitions are wrong).  I have not been a teenager for
many years.  I have  many goals in life.  None of them include
roting away with no purpose.  

>>You have no
>>trouble with the science that brought you the electronic medium since
>>you all use it extensively.
>
>It's here, so I'm using it. What's your problem, smart boy?
>It's only fair that technology should be put to some good use.
>You think you have some kind of monopoly on using technology?

There you go again.  Nothing comes from science but ignorance, oh and 
a way for the Vedas to be preached more effectively.  You realize that
you have just admitted that modern science has created items which 
have "Good Use"  Now that you have admitted this, I expect you to recant
all your assertions that there is nothing useful that comes out of 
science.  

<snip>


>> Then you claim that scientists are close-minded, and in
>>essence; idiot-savants focused only on their narrow fields of
>>specialty.

>Yes, I do. Isn't it a fact? 

No, it is not a fact.  Would you like to enlighten us?  You have done
no such thing thus far.  Oh wait, there you go again using the 
creation of an idiot-savant to further your goals.   Funny how
science is useful isn't it.

>>For some reason Darwin and evolution are the favorite targets of most
>>theists.
>
>Because it shows that you too need a religion.

McCoyian logic?  

>> You have no trouble accepting the science that does not
>>conflict with your ancient dogmas and that you can use.
>
>What does it tell you if modern science confirms much of the info
>documented in the Vedas long time ago? That the Vedas are wrong? Is
>that your logic?

You are so full of it.  You say that science is worthless and then 
you go on to use it to show that your precious beliefs are valid.
And then you defend this.  It is undefensible.  It is selective
attention. It is bad science.

>I never said that science cannot be put to good use. I said that they
>should stick to technology which they obviously know something about
>and don't meddle in philosophy and existential matters which they know
>nothing about. That's what I said.

Outright Bullshit.  You said that science is worthless. You said
that nothing comes of it but ignorance.  You said that all 
scientific experients (including my own) do nothing to help the
world and they do not play any role in decreasing ignroance.  You
basically said that science was not worth the effort.  You are
totally changing your tune and your words are recorded here.  So
don't even bother trying to change your story without admitting
a mistake.  It does not fly.


>You never saw any evidence [for evolution]. 

Yes I have.  

>You just accept it when they tell you
>there is a lot of evidence. 

No I don't. 

>In fact you'll accept any foolish idea as
>long as it confirms your narrow outlook on life, ie. that there is no
>spiritual dimension to life and that life is simply meant to enjoy the
>body and mind.

Do you have any evidence for this?
Oh wait, you don't believe in collecting evidence to validate a hypothesis, right?
Nothing but ignorance comes from this scientific method, right?
Unless of course, you can preach the Vedas using these methods, right?
Oh wait, good things do come from science right?
But nothing but ignorance comes from science?
So good things = ignorance.  Or are good things a subset of ignorance?  Is ignorance
a subset of good things?  Preaching the Vedas is being done on the internet which, 
as a product of science is nothing but ignorance.  So the Vedas are ignorance?  Or
what?

>Do you think this is a very positive and sane philosophy?
>What if you happen to be born disabled or invalid, or ugly, or very
>poor? 
>What hope can your demoniac philosophy give such a person?

Alot.  It can give someone the will to make the most of their position
because they may not get another chance.

>What do you think it must feel like to a person without arms or legs
>to be told that he is his body and that he has no other identity
>beyond that? What can you offer the unlucky, disabled and poor people
>of the world? Huh, smart boy? Tell me that. 

It really does not matter.  Just because life sucks for some people
does not mean that gods exist.  Its foolish to think so.  Really, I 
have to say that your true colors are finally showing:  

JAHNU BELIEVES IN GODS BECAUSE HE IS AFRAID OF LIFE
WITHOUT THEM.


>Atheism is simply an oppressive and depressive philosophy with nothing
>to offer people except polished animal life.

Regardless of whether or not you are of this opinion (admittedly, some
atheists agree with you on this) it does not mean that this is not the
reality.

Got it?  If something sucks, it doesn't mean its not true.


<snip>

>>I didn't see any Vedans walking on the moon, and I am damn sure that
>>prayer or TM did not build the spacecraft that brought the Astronauts
>>who did.
>
>In fact you didn't see anyone walking on the moon. Do I have to remind
>you that your eyes are imperfect and don't have the ability to look
>all the way to the moon? All you saw was some pictures on your TV
>screen. Actually I doubt you even saw that. You probably weren't even
>born in -69. Do you believe anything you see on TV?

You don't belive that man walked on the moon?  You really are a lunatic.

>Do you know what a computer looked like in -69? Like the computer I am
>using right now, which is just an ordinary 486/DX4/100Mhz - it's
>practically outdated by the current standard - do you know what such a
>computer looked like in -69? Let me tell you; it would practically
>take up the space of an entire block.

And your point is?

>
>Do you know that the power and speed of the computer they brought in
>their space shuttle was equal to that of a modern calculator similar
>to what the kids use in highschool now a days? In fact somebody wrote
>a book about that. It is called "Going to the moon in a calculator."
>Did you read that?

And your point is?


>And why aren't they going to the moon anymore now a days? Imagine how
>handy it would be.They could skip all their atomic and chemical waste,
>which now rots on the floors of the oceans, to the moon. Why don't
>they do that? Why don't they do something usefull like that with their
>spaceprogram? Tell me that, smart boy.

Because it would be too expensive.  Its cheaper to dispose of garbage here.
Its pretty pathetic when even your rhetorical questions are easily
answerable.


>>Of course, the scientists and planners of the Space Program
>>can't see the whole picture and are making everyone in the world
>>unhappy.
>
>Well, they certainly spend a lot of money uselessly, exploding space
>ships, in stead of feeding the poor, wouldn't you say?

Wait, I thought you said that the space program was a sham and that
we were fools for believing that it exists because we only saw it 
on T.V.?  A program that does not exist could not waste very much
money.

>>How many diseases and plagues have the Vedas cured, and how many
>>plague victims died with their god's prayers on their lips? Louis
>>Pasteur was one of those unfeeling narrow minded scientists driving
>>planet Earth to the brink of destruction. 
>
>So noone gets sick now a days? Is that what you are saying? How come
>we build more an more hospitals then, if modern medicine is so
>efficient in curing diseases? What diseases did they cure?

The plague...measles...mumps...yellow fever...to name a few.
Oh, but wait...I heard about these cures on T.V...
>
>Heart attack? (Very prominent cause of death in areas where people eat
>a lot of meat) 

Medical science has uncovered alot of information on how to avoid heart
attacks.  

>Cancer? 

Some forms or cancer are almost 100% curable.  

>AIDs? 

Scientists recently found a combinations of medicines that completely wiped
out all traces of HIV in an infected person.  

>Mental disturbances of countless varieties... did they cure that? 

Many mental disturbances are curable.  Obsessive compulsive behavior, some forms of
scitzophrenia and depression to name a few.

>Get a grip on yourself. Your
>arguments are so cheap. In fact I have seen with my own eyes people
>who were dying from incurable cancer going to India and becoming cured
>by Ayurvedic treatment. You are simply a brainwashed fool. You know
>nothing.

Apparently I know alot more about scientific achievments than you do.
By the way, how do you know AIDS even exists?  Did you hear about it on
atheist controlled t.v?  Or did you read about it in the atheist controlled
press?  

Even if you have seen someone who was diagnosed with HIV, how do YOU know
that that is really what they suffer from.  How do you know its not some
other disease.  Like cancer or something else?

>Really? How come people are still starving all over the world, if your
>useless studies could help them? Do you think, smart boy, that L.A,
>N.Y and Paris are not dirt-poor, poluted, and overpopulated slum
>cities ruled by the theocracy of modern traditions? Do you live in a
>cave or what? Don't you know that thousands and millions of people die
>every year in these cities from polution, crime and malnutrition?

How do you know that more would not die if it were not for science?
I suggest that more would.


>> Just look at India and Pakistan to see how
>>well the people live there under the enlightened teachings of krishna.
>
>First of all they don't follow the teachings of Krishna anymore in
>India. They too are enamored by modern consumerism. Secondly 
>Pakistan certainly don't follow the teachings of Krishna, since they
>are Moslems and hate Krishna. Didn't you know that they are Moslems in
>Pakistan?

In India human beings go starving while food is given to feed
fatally ill cows and chickens. Such inhumane practices
are not the result of atheistic thinking. 

<snip>

>Did you ever go to
>India and see how people live there? I was there 5 times and I never
>saw anyone starve there. In fact I could swear that the average person
>there seemed more satisfied and less frustrated than the average
>Western person, even in the most poor slum section of Delhi.

Go on swearing.  I know many people who grew up there are have visited
and all tell me stories of starvation.


>Well, I didn't really expect to be welcomed with rounds of applause
>when I came here, but some people - the more thoughtful ones - have
>voiced their appreciation. You have to understand, that not all
>atheists are fanatical fundamentalists who accept modern scientific
>theories like indisputable gospels. 

The scientific method is based on collecting evidence to support
or contradict a theory or hypothesis.  Blind faith is not part of
the scientific method.

>There are some who are atheists simply because they havent't yet been
>presented with real religion that is founded on sound logic,
>argumentation, and proper knowledge. When they hear the eternal
>message of the Vedas, some even check it out with serious inquisition,
>and their lives are changed. I know because I was one of them.

There are some theists who believe in gods because they think that
without them life would suck.  My hypothesis, based on considerable
evidence from your writings to this newsgroup, is that 
You are one of these.

>> Your long-winded,
>>pseudo-intellectual, over-emotional crap does not impress many people
>>here either.
>
>Right, it doesn't impress those without a brain. And, let me tell you,
>they are numerous in this group. I wonder what _ will_  impress such a
>person? So you are right, not many appreciate, but a few does, and it
>is for their sake that I stick it out here.

Nothing noble about that.  The Moonies do the same thing.  They let
the thinking go bye and prey on the weak.  Honestly, tell me how
many converts you have found here.  

<snip>

>What's anyway wrong with changing one's life? If one's life stinks
>only a fool wouldn't do something to change it, isn't it?

That depends.  I'd rather know the truth and live unhappy, then
become a happy moron.

smedley