======== Newsgroups: alt.atheism Subject: Re: A Serous Question From: Jahnu@wineasy.se (Jahnu dasa) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:38:27 GMT Mark Kimes wrote: >Jahnu dasa wrote: >>>An astrophysicist and/or cosmologist would be the one to make such >>>statements, but, of course, they don't. >> Come on, they certainly do. >No, Jahnu, they don't, as I explained. Take a look at an actual science text sometime -- would you like a reading list? What for? They are your gurus, or something? >> I read books by scientists in which this is exactly what they propose. >Ah, those nameless scientists. Names of scientists, books and publishers, please. You know, contrary to you I don't just lie and cheat to boost my ego. >> I didn't. I read it in scientific books. I paraphraze from memory as I >> don't have the book at hand: "In the beginning there was nothing, not >> even time or space. Now I know this sounds hard to believe...." >Ah, those nameless science books. Names of authors, books and publishers, please. >(Psst -- your invented "paraphrase" is meaningless.) Man, you are so ignorant. Of course the paraphrase is meaningless. As far as I recall it was was invented by Carl Sagan in his book Genesis. He even had the nerve to call his dribble 'Genesis.' Anyway, if you you really want to be publicly embarrassed I'll get back with the exact references. >> But these speculations are being presented in fancy >> colorful magazines and school books as facts of scientific study. >Of course they're not, Jahnu. I've read the literature, and cosmologists >are _very_ careful to specify exactly what they're talking, be it theory, >proposal or speculation. Would you like a reading list? I can't believe you just said that. Do you believe in the boogie man too? >>>> I don't think there is any scientist who believes that "something" comes >>>> from "nothing" >>>Not really, no. That's just Jahnu's way of stating his misconceptions about >>>"virtual particles." >> So what's your conception of virtual particles >It ain't "something comes from nothing" as you try to present it. Again, would you like a reading list? I highly recommend that >you read some of this stuff you're trying to debate. You sound like a witch doctor trying to discuss why modern medicine is bad >and we should let him shake his rattle and hope for the best instead. Get a grip on your lines. So what's your conception of virtual particles? I ask again because you didn't answer. -Jahnu http://webcom.com/~ara/col/vv.html http://www.users.wineasy.se/storm/ http://www-ece.rice.edu/~vijaypai/hkindex.html