From: "0108" <0108@t...>
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 12:57 pm
Subject: Caucasian or sometimes Aryan.

From: Dharmapada

To: List Members

Re: A cross post from a tantra list which was sparked by some quotes by 
Vivekananda.

"I am very sympathetic with the attempts of indologists to negate an Aryan 
invasion. I say this because I am sure that there never was one. This doesn't 
rule out a migration, or a movement, by that race which we call Caucasian or 
sometimes Aryan."

In the Ramayan, we see a movement of the warrior class/kshatriya, in benefit 
of and in the protection of the brahmins. Something like that. So why can't it 
be that the Caucasian race moved into the subcontinent in the distant past in 
order to re-inforce the Vedic culture of the Dravidian priests who were 
already active in some part of the subcontinent? After all, the Druids of 
Europe were known as great, mystical priests; so maybe the Dravids of South 
India had such a role in the distant past, too. And the kshatriya/warrior role 
is very much associated with the Caucasian race.

Why would a movement of the Caucasian race have to be interpreted as an 
invasion? What if future archaeologists probe the ruins of Germany 5,000 years 
from now and find American military bases- remnants of 7-11 stores and such, 
and link it all back to North America? Would they then postulate that the 
Americans invaded Germany and brought with them Western culture? Again, why 
can't the movement of a military segment of society be interpreted as a 
re-inforcement of some type?

Indologists are so caught up with the idea of not alienating the South 
Indians, that they lose all objectivity and refuse to recognize a movement by 
the Caucasian race into that area. But it is not the migration itself, it is 
the "invasion" interpretation which gets imposed upon the migration which is 
negative.

The truth is that Aryan civilization is not the domain of the Caucasian race, 
that it was practiced by different races. For example, it was practiced from 
Northern Europe all the way to Angor Wat in present Thailand, which was known 
by its Vedic name Siam, or Shyama, shortened to Shyam. But the Caucasians were 
also practitioners of the culture, and it is easy to track their diaspora, all 
the way to the Arctic coasts, through the steppes of Central Asia, and 'round 
about along Europe. This doesn't mean that the culture was carried from India 
by Indo-European tribes marching across the frozen landscape. Complex verb 
conjugations and declensions of nouns can hardly be conserved by fixed 
populations with some schooling, what to speak of having them carried by 
nomads, conserved, and then absorbed by other populations. There was a broad, 
Vedic culture across large segments of the surface of the globe, broader than 
just the diaspora of the Indo-European race, but even referring to that race, 
I have to disagree with the words of Vivekananda:

'There is not one word in our scriptures, not one, to prove that the Aryans 
came from anywhere outside of India, and in ancient India was included 
Afghanistan. There it ends.'

Where is the "scripture" which treats the origin and growth of Vedic culture 
on this planet? There isn't one, but the lack of a specific book on the 
subject matter doesn't negate that there was migration into India. First of 
all, so much literature has been lost. It is Kali Yuga, you know. The Puranas 
themselves underwent a strange revision about 2,000 years ago. I say strange 
because it was carried out from top to bottom of the Indian sub continent. How 
was that done in such a complete and uniform manner?

But even so, the Vedic literature does remain speaks of a cyclic re-population 
of the surface of the globe, by members of Vedic culture, originating from the 
area of Shambhala, which is defined as a city in the Madhyatah, the central 
cavity of the Earth. This would account for Bal Gangadhar Tilak's "Arctic Home 
of the Vedas." But in spite of several such comments in the Puranas, 
indologists don't like to think along these lines because they can't 
understand nor explain comments about Shambhala, so they close their eyes to 
these comments and decide, on the basis of their limited understanding, that 
some comments are meaningful, and that others were fanciful interpolations. 
Dr. Frog, Ph.D., wants to know if the ocean is bigger than his well. Then he 
wants to know how much bigger.

On my Vedic Evidence site, I have posted the comments of Vrndavan Parker on 
the existence of contact between the Arctic areas and the subcontinent. 
http://skywebsite.com/hollow/Vedic-Hollow-Earth/id19.html The comments are 
from his Vedica site.

Again, by the end of the Kali Yuga, the whole face of the planet will be 
desolate. The re-population will begin at that time because the holy Vedas 
tell us so. Certainly, there will be an Aryan migration, a Dravidian 
migration, a Vedic migration - whatever you want to call it - to India as well 
as to other parts of the globe. And by the end of the next set of 
chatur-yugas, no one will be able to track its origin and everyone will sit 
around speculating like Dr. Frog, just as they are now.

That's my two cents."