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Previous Page Nadi Astrology - Part 5 Opinions of Others It would be highly impossible to give here the opinion of others on Nadi astrology as innumerable in many articles in 'The Astrological Magazine' since 1956 and books. However I would like to state the crux from some articles, books my discussions with others personally and via e-mail. During my discussions with my Guru Late B.V.Raman in January 1998, he told "Nadi Granthas can be broadly divided into Mantras and Tantric, the former mainly based on the power and control of Kshudra Mantras but under astrological cover and the latter mostly mathematical and partly basis on Mahamantras. In 1953 Shri Narayana Sastry handed over me the Nadi literature with a Mahamanta which I was cautioned should never be revealed to any on until and unless the instruction by way of a code word is revealed in nadi itself. The late Justice Ramesam Pantulu had such a work in his possession In my meeting with him he gave some details about Nadi Amshas but the secret of interpretation was not revealed just because the code word was never appeared in the grantha. Before his death, however, he came across the code word according to which the nadi should be thrown into the sea which he did. The rational continues to be a mystery. Perhaps the original authors did not want the secrets fall into unscrupulous hands. Moneymaking was never their object. Upon the division of Nadi Amsha and its being tagged on to the positions of Jupiter, Saturn, Sun, and Moon it is mathematics. But when the amsha in a particular lagna is to be interpreted, something other than mere astrological precept becomes involved. It is only after the recitation of the clue mantra at this stage, for the prescribed number of times that the results come more or less as a flash. Of course each nadi has certain definite results, as earlier serialized in 'The Astrological Magazine', but in applying these results to an undivided horoscope the Sun, the Moon, Saturn, Jupiter and other planets enter the picture. The Amsha is tagged on to the amsas of the other planets also and automatically the astrologer gets an image of the horoscope. I use the Nadi techniques only for purpose of rectifying the time of birth on the basis of the amsha and some identifying facts. The dasha system followed and of course Vimshothari though sometimes vague references are made to Jaimini and Kalachakra. To me Markandeya Nadi, Madras gave 60% correct results, in 1935. Shri Gupta in Madras got many Nadis - Sukra Nadi etc. Total number of Nadi are 72, out of which 36 are mantra Nadis such as Sukra Nadi, Nandi Nadi etc. which are only 25% correct. Mantra Nadi are written then and there. There are 36 Tantra Nadis such as Rudra, Sapta rishi, Brughu, Satya etc. Busantari Nadi gives about earthquakes, political set-up, available with Shri Nadis in Tamil. There are 36 Prasna Nadis and by using beetle nuts, beetle leaves Dakshina, answers are given. They conceal some mystery to astrologer, Shri Nagaraja Sharma Astrologer tried to find out the source of tantra nadi and found nadi contains 150 parts. Egoistic nature will not give results. One Nadi astrologer by Kshudra Ganapati Mantra died of cancer. By nadi astrologer reading, past will be correct and future wrong. From Oriental Library and Shri Nagaraja Sarma, each degree is divided into 150 nadi amsas and the position of lagna, nadi amsha, Moon Saturn, Jupiter will give clues. Integrate Parasara+Jamini+Nadi Varahamihira says that astrologer should have no hatred , should have contentment, ever joyful and satisfied well-versed in calculations (computers are there now ) gift of having predictions, imagination, morality, ethics, principled. Don't predict death know Satyacharya's (Dhruva Nadi author) Pancha Siddhantha. Practice Mahamantras not Kshudra mantras to get mind clarity. Taking Shantis (remedial measures) is wrong to get money. Script in Kannada language on palm leaves immediately within seconds and then disappeared actually there was Ramayana, Bharatam on palm leaves earlier. I contested many scientists and told them Astrology is not superstition" My Guru, Late Shri Divakaruni Venkata Subba Rao, write his book "Jyotish Siddhantam" in Telugu language (out of print) about Tatwa/Antartatwa iddhantam to rectify the birth time to match the lagna, moon rasi day of birth for male/female birth amounting to a minimum level of 12 seconds duration of birth time difference which is equipment to Nadi Amsha. Then only the detailed life pattern can be predicted with the actual planetary configuration and with the other Vargas (divisional) charts. Late Shri R.Gopalakrishna Rao (nick name Meena) suggested starlords (jeeva planets) of the planets, gunas of planets (Satwik, Rajasik and Tamasik), Sareera of Planets (Star lord of Jeeva Planets), Lordships, relationships in his book Nadi Astrology (Stellar Astrology) 3 volumes (out of print). He stated that "in South India, great men with deep insight into the knowledge of planets and Heaven, were able to cast various astrological charts which form the essence of the Nadi Granthas. Some may say that even the Nadis fail to give correct predictions. But I can boldly say that the Nadis need fail. The person, using the Nadis fails, because correct prediction depends on the accuracy of the questioner's birth chart in the Granthas. If a clever astrologer who is in possession of the nadi could get at the proper chart he can read accurate predictions. The method that I have pursued and which I have presented in the pages of the book, is an ancient one. It has hitherto been kept confidential without being brought to light., The authors of this method have recorded Nadis on palm leaves. What was possible to Sages is equally possible to those who take pains to investigate and understand the science correctly by the method herein revealed. In the "Bhrugu Nandi Nadi" book by Shri R.G.Rao, the karakatwa of the planets and rasis are given importance and Jupiter transits in the houses and over planets will decide events. Lagna is not important. The sequence of planets in the chart is important to be noted to give predictions. The natal chart combinations and transits are to be judiciously understood along with effects of retrograde planets and parivartana planets. In "Chandra kala Nadi" books 3 volumes by Late Shri R.Santhanam, transits of a planet in various Navamshas with respect to its lordship and benefic and malefic Navamsha are given importance. In "Sapta Rishi Nadi" book by oriental Library Chennai the rashi chart is only considered and the depositor of the planets is considered. Lagnawise some ready made charts are discussed for various aspects of life for some lagnas only. In "The Astrological Magazine" the general life patterns of some of the Nadi Amshas from Dhruva Nadi were published My friend Mr.Barry Pittard of Australia, sends email to me stating " I have found repeated evidence - both in my explorations at first hand and from sending out well over two thousand emails to people who could possibly help many accurate details can be discovered about one self. In 1998 Shanti (new my wife) and I explored nadi readings at Libraries at Vaitheeswarankoil and therefore shortly able, I also visited a library at Chennai. Yet again, I found stunningly accurate information. Moreover it too corresponded with informed them from both the Vaitheeswaran koil and Tanjore Libraries. We found our names and family details including our parents names. He also said that they got the thumbprints of his wife's parents by fax from Australia and the readings were incredibly accurate about them. Shri K.N.Rao in his article "Thumb and Horoscope" mentioned "while in Calcutta, I heard of about an astrologer near Dumdum who prepared horoscopes in all cases of unknown births from one's thumb I never met him. Through a very senior Guru Bhai who knew him well and patronized, I sent him a request if he would prepare the horoscopes of those whose birth details were well known and made it clear that it was not to test him but to know how dependable his method was. I further clarified that I would like to use it for the verification of birth time in cases of doubtful horoscopes. I sent five persons to him. In three cases he gave us correct degrees of all planets and the lagna. He was not given any birth details. He drew out the whole horoscope from the palm particularly of the thumb. The most remarkable fact which showed have struck me was that the degrees of the planets he gave from the palm and thumb was what Lahiri's ephemeris had given to me . he used the work Chitrapaksheeya Ayamsha". Sri K.N.Rao published the readings about him from Dhruva Nadi given to him by Dr.B.V.Raman in one of his books. Shri Kannan in his article "My experiences with Nadis -X 1" in the Astrological Magazine" June 1969 stated "Thus, after investigating all types of nadis what I have learnt is as noted below:- Nadis have been written on the basis of nadi-amshas, but they require alterations based on the localities and planetary positions. Nadi writer wrote horoscopes upto certain future periods only for each. That is why some nadis appear and some disappear if any querent funds no leaf for hi, it is due to the fact that bundles written must have destroyed by nadi holders of the past or otherwise lost by the successors. Apart from this kind of loss, some persons may not be in the scheme of a particular nadi at all and hence there may not be a leaf. For instance, in my case, according to Sukhar's scheme, I should have had 6 children but I had 8. The last two had no leaves in Sukha Nadi. When questioned about this in Prasna Kanda, it was stated that there was nothing to be worried about their longevity and the scheme of Rishi Vakyam was only like that. Somehow I got the readings for them in some other nadi. Nadis generally have some stock method of giving predictions without bothering and without meticulous calculations. Most of the good nadis have mastery over the subject and have a good sense of judgement taking into account all the good and bad points. Astrologers usually linger or persist in a particular view. Regarding prescription of medicine, the nadis follow Ayurvedic system for the known ailments without resorting to particular herb for a particular afflicting planet. A nadi is able to find out not only the querent's thought but also the e exact time of consultation. In my case Sukhar stated when I exactly consulted each bhava or vakyam. Though cent percent results cannot be expected, nadi gives some correct predictions also and these depend upon the quality of the nadi consulted. If a nadi stipulates a fabulous figure of fees it has to be understood that it is the mischief of the astrologer. All the nadi invariably prescribe shantis (whether warranted or not because every one will have some defect or other in the horoscope. This is ruse for getting money. One has to investigate the reasonableness of it before adopting. Very good predictions can be expected from a prasna nadi for the immediate future. But long range predictions fail mostly, probably because they could not check up correctly all the relevant positions. In the matter of daily prasnas, the nadis seem to have followed only " Nandi Vakyam" method of giving results based on planetary position and not on Stellar basis. In the matter of judgement one h as to give importance to the position of the dispositor from the Bhava which seems to act best. The nadis have got always some curse as Mr.Chidambara Iyer expressed and it is found most of the nadi holders have to experience difficulties and calamities. There seem to be law connecting the particular time of writing a nadi and the next time of consultation. This is the most secret method to be investigated. For instance, Sukar's Prasna Kanda was written long ago. When the nadi holder opens at random a leaf his eyes fall on a letter which furnishes information about the person consulting that day. What is that law? Can any body demonstrate ? At any rate these are all mysterious to me. With these I close these series and if anybody has any tangible information to unravel the mysteries pointed out, it will certainly be useful to all. 52. Of course, there are others who say that the thumb impression is used only as identification and to impress you. And the reader would find out from you the birth details by his clever random type of question s and remembering the answers and then arriving at the exact details make the chart from their ephemeris for that date of birth in their library room, read the results from standard charts recorded in ancient times matching your , lagna etc and the whole thing was a manipulation. There are some others who say that they consulted all nadis but did not find their leaf and felt that the whole thing was a hoax. Some others say that there are lot of cheating nowadays in how they operate it and they are people monitoring behind the screen in other room listening to you and there is no nadi reader live in India today just try giving a thumb he will be able to find the details some others say that the readings for foreigners have been exploited .from other leaves some say that the nadi readers would invoke a "spirit" which would smell the thumb print and tell them what Index leaves are to be picked up, which are only some old recorded life patterns and as he turns leaf after leaf while questioning as usual routine process the spirit would tell him at certain stage to read the correct date though it won't be there on that leaf. Some say that time of birth and lagna are given by nadi reader which has not matched when checked on computer later. Every one had different experiences with the nadi Jyotish. It would be difficult to record all the experiences in this limited space. Some Doubts And Questions In view of the above discussions, several doubts and questions which arise on Nadi Jyotish are consolidated here as far as possible at random:- What is the real origin of this Nadi Jyotish? Are they really written by some Sages and only by professional astrologers? Are they the records of those born in earlier written on palm leaves in those times? Why a right thumb impression for male and left for female is to be taken? In what language they were written originally? When were they translated into other languages? How many bundles of leaves are available in total? Is each set of leaves after some name of Nadi Jyotish is different ? Is there really anything written on the leaves at all or something appear then and there? Is there any Mantra or some other means used by the Nadi astrologers? Is there any specific science written to get the birth chart and birth data from< the thumb impressions? How the exact names can be told? What is the procedure followed by the nadi reader to pick up the index leaves from his library from thumb impression? How is it on some leaves only some type of funny pattern of lines was written without any normal language form of script ? How is it that some type of Tamil script found on the leaves could not be understood? Why do the readers give the future readings from the date of consultation only at some intervals of age only? Why do they not give the occurrence of past events age wise generally? How do they give the names of foreigners also sometimes? Is there any privacy issue? Why do some readers ask y u to come again? Which collections are considered largest and carefully reserved etc? Which nadi readers are held reliable? How the small place in Tamilnadu,Vaitheeswaran koil has got different readers even in small houses offering readers.? Are there leaves were distributed amongst members of that family for their different businesses charging different fees? What is the material and sole of the leaf and and how they have preserved so long? Are they rewritten at different intervals of time? How are they trained and how long? How the leaves are with mostly a particular sect of people who are doing business from them? How do they link up the index leaf with the actual leaf of general Kandam and other chapters of? How can some readers say that such and such person is going to consult on that day? Do the readings for the same person from different Nadis match exactly? Do the readings for the same person from the same nadi reader from the same nadi taken at different interval of time say a year later match exactly? Are you really to be destined to consult Nadi? How many consult Nadi? Are the past readings given always perfectly correct ? How far the future reading goes perfectly right upto what time to nearby future or to long future also? Do the reader himself involved in giving correct readings, includes his training and experience? Why do the remedial measures given in Shanti Kanda mostly refer to the Gods/Goddess /Temples in Tamilnadu? Why do they prescribe the alms to be given to the nadi reader and is it really written on the leaves ? Are they actually reading what was written on the leaves ? Why are some of them in some form of trance with half closed eyes as if they are not reading it from the leaves at all? Why don't nadi readers give your leaf to you, if it really belongs to y u? Can you read what is written there? Will they show it you? How many readings are there on each leaf? How many index bundles are normally to be scanned to arrive at your data? How many leaves are there in each bundle? Do they read without thumb impression, if the chart is given ? Are the previous life readings given in different Nadis for the same person would be the same? Is there any luck in the leaves from the previous life to the present life to the future life ? How far the remedial measures given work? Why do every nadi reader prescribe shanti definitely for every person whenever consulted? Why do the chart given by them differ from the one prepared by you in computers? Is their ephemeris from Vakya Siddhanta as told different from others and how far is it correct? Why do they tell the firth date, month and year in Tamil calendar and then correlate it Christian calendar, is it because the records were in Tamil ? If the records were in Sanskrit or Telugu language, how are the birth data found in which calendar? Why are the readings are only at intervals of 1 year or 2 ½ hrs etc ? Are they following only the transits of major planets of Jupiter Saturn etc? Why do they give readings of future events only age wise, not at a particular calendar date, month and year ? Do they know astrology at all? Do they tell the exact names of twins , if the thumbprints are given ? Do they give the readings without the presence of the person consulting and with the date presented by some person? Do they give the reading by post if the required data is given and fees sent? How far they take the responsibility if the future readings given by them do not come true and what excuse do they give in such cases ? Is whole thing a foax only? Is there cheating by them? Are there any real astrological principles involved in those Nadis? Why do they charge exorbitantly which many poor people cannot afford? Do poor people are distend to consult them? Is it worth spending lot of money in finding out the tricks of this nadi astrology? Is it possible to do any research at all in this filed? Are there any Nadis with some Swamijis or in some Ashram or with some other persons who are not using it for professional commercial purposes and give readings when consulted? Are there any Nadis published fully, if so in what language? Why do some astrologers, who have got nadi Grantha not publish it completely in a book form? Are there other aspects natural calamities, political set ups wars, countries etc written also nadi granthas other than about persons and if so why don't they publish it before hand? Are these Nadis written restricted to certain regions only, if so within how many kilometers /miles and within what longitudes and latitudes? Is there any law, which is given in the Nadis to extend it other persons and other regions? How can a few bundles of leaves ,however large they re cover all life patterns of all persons? What the addresses of all the nadi readers? Are there any persons who are really doing any genuine serious research to find out the secrets of the nadi Jyotish if so what are their addresses and what are their findings so far, have they published their research anywhere? Are there any persons who are exchanging their experience and research with each in this field and if so what are their addresses? Are there any persons who had consulted all Nadis about them personalities and published their readings comparing and verifying the results if so what are their addresses? Why can't the nadi readers tell the exact names of the wife/husband before marriage, but can tell the e names of after marriage? Why can't they tell the names of the children when they can tell your name, your wife/husband name and names of parents? Is there any danger or calamity or curse or those who possess these nadi granthas and to their families when they practice it? How did Sage Satyacharya, supposed to be inventor of nadi amshas of 150 write the general life patterns for each nadi amsha and to what percentage they match with a person's life pattern, if the person birth amsha falls in one of the nadi amshas or is it that the person should select the nearest nadi amsha pattern which matches with most of his life events and if it is to be chosen for a newly born baby who has not much specific events to check then how to fix up the nadi amsha? Is there any method, if at all any, to draw the nadi amsha chart just as other Vargas (divisional) charts and if so how to prepare such a nadi chart and how to use it vis-à-vis rasi and other Vargas charts (though it is not mostly known how to use the known Vargas charts themselves specifically for a particular event in life!) Which are the mantra Nadis , the tantra Nadis, prasna Nadis etc and what are the differences and how do they operate? Where are we now in our research on nadi Jyotish in finding out the secrets, when they have existing from so many years? Are there any specific astrological principles used in nadi Jyotish literature other than normal principles enunciated in standard ancient text books by sage Parasara, Jaimini,Varahamihira, Mantreswara, Vidyanatha, Kalidasa, Venkatesdaivagna, Bhaskara Jyotish, Bhruhatjataka, Phaladeepika , Jatakaparijata, Uttara Kalamithra, Sarvartha Chinthamani, Bhavadeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali etc ? Do the nadi readers allow to record all the questions they ask as they proceed with the index leaves and is there any person who got such recorded data in his personal case and if what is his address? How can the Nadi Reader tell that your parents are alive when y you consult him when they are alive and tell that they are dead when you consult him after their death and can such a thing can be told from applying normal astrological principles? Similarly how can h e tell the exact number of brothers and sisters and at age you were married etc and can these can be told so precisely from any normal astrological rules? Will all the Nadis give the e life span for a person or different life spans, when the names and chart and other past details match exactly in all Nadis ? Why some Nadis mention certain age as "Gandam" (danger to life) and if it is surpassed the person would live upto certain other age ? Has anybody found any clues to give exact predictions from the text books available in the market on nadi Jyotish presently such as "Bhrugu Nandi Nadi" by Shri R.G.Rao, Devakeralam (Chandrakala Nadi )3 vols by Shri Late R.Santhanam commentary on "Saptarishi Nadi" by Shri J.H.Bhasin, "Transits of planets on they birth chart" lesson of nadi are the essence of astrology" by Shri R.G.Rao, "Kashyapa Hora - essesnce of nadi astrology" by Shri R.G.Rao, "Nadi jyothisha or the Stellar system of astrology"(out of print) by Shri Late R.Gopalakrishna Rao (Pen name meena) "Satya jatakam (basis of Dhruvanadi) Sage Satyacharya, "Practical Stellar Astrology (Based on Nadi Principles) by Shri Late NV Raghavachari (Pen name Meena II), "Nadi system of Prediction (Stellar-theory) by Shri Rattan Lal , "Doctrines of Suka Nadi Retold - mysteries of nadi system of astrology unfurled" by Shri Late R.Santhanam, "Profession from the position of planets -in rare nadi granthas by Shri RG Ro, "Vedic Astrology and career" by Shri V.Raghuraman, "Your Destiny in thumb" by Shri R.G.Rao "Bhrigu Sutram Sage Bhrigu, "Bhrugu Prashna Nadi" by Shri R.G.Rao, General life pattern from Dhruva Nadi and Nandi Nadi published for some Nadi Amshas in the "Astrological Magazine", several articles published on Nadi Astrology in the Astrological Magazines " other magazines and new papers etc etc? Has anybody able to correlate the standard astrological principles with the nadi astrology predictions authentically? Can exact birth time be told by Nadi Readers? Whether the Nadi reader and the translator add anything on their own while reading and explaining? Further Research Required Though one can try to find out answers to all the above questions I feel that further important research required to be carried out in nadi astrology should be concentrated on the following points:- Whether a complete Natural Birth chart with planetary positions and lagna with exact degrees and birth data can be formed from the thumb impression? Why a right hand thumb impression for male and left hand thumb print for female should be taken? What is the technique used by Nadi Readers to pick up the Index leaves bundles from the thumb print and subsequent Kandam leaves? What are the scripts written on the leaves? Whether the Nadi Readers reads the same thing on the leaf? Whether we or the experts in linguistics can read the same and understand? Whether there is any script at all in the leaves? Can we record what all he reads and questions leaf after leaf till he arrives at our data in the index leaves? Whether he writes the same thing in the notebook, records in the audiotape and translates? Do the leaves contain some old records of life histories of persons written in olden days for certain planetary configurations for research for future cycles and if so how to modify the results for the present consultant's chart which and could be only a nearby chart since it takes very long time to get to the same planetary configuration again? How one can tell exact names, numbers of brothers and sisters with help of a chart even with exact degrees of planets and lagna? Can we get our leaf from the Nadi readers and even if so will it be of any use? Whether the same nadi reader from same nadi grantha gives same results when consulted at different time intervals, say one year? Why the nadi readers gives results age-wise only for events, not particular dates? Would they use mostly the transits of major planets on the natal chart to tell events? Would different readers of same nadi give different results? Would different Nadis give different results? Why the remedial measures (Shantis) are prescribed for every one whether consulted at any time, why they are mostly connected to Temples/Gods/Goddesses in Tamilnadu only, whether they work at all to overcome the difficulties read in the leaves or is at another gimmick of the nadi reading to get money from the person consulted by invoking fear and faith into him? Why not collect as much data as possible from persons who consulted nadi along with their experiences about the veracity of the future predictions? Is it possible to find how the past life data is given by nadi readers and check the same? Is there any method to link the past life data with the present and future readings? Which nadi and nadi reader is giving more accurate results? Is there any way to arrive at nadi astrologers principles in correlation with the normal standard astrology , as given in the palm leaves by the nadi readers or is the whole thing a process of hoax using some Upasana of spirits or Mantra by the nadi readers? What percentage of correct results would come from nadi readers compared to the readings from well-experienced sincere normal astrologers? Can one can erect a nadi amsha chart (1/150) and use it for exact predictions along with other Vargas charts? Can one find out how the general life pattern is given for each nadi amsha? Whether anybody consulted the same nadi at same place or at different places at same time read by different nadi readers and what are the results? Whether anybody consulted the same nadi at same place read by the same person at different times say a year later and what are the results and are they same particularly with respect to the future events? Whether anybody got the results without knowing the birth date/month/year/lagna/Moon rasi and nakshatra/chart and if so how? Whether anybody got the exact name of wife / husband before marriage? Whether anybody got future results every year or only at intervals of 2 to 3 years or at some random future ages? Whether anybody got the same life span (age) mentioned in different nadis? Whether anybody got the same life span (age) mentioned in different nadis? Whether anybody got the future result about the birth of a child male or female specifically? Whether any astrologer could succeed so far in analyzing the results given by nadi as per the known astrological rules?(ask astrologers)? How many are visiting the nadis and getting results also not finding their nadi leaves.(ask nadi readers)? What would be the percentage of people consulting nasi? Whether anybody recorded the various questions asked by the nadi reader leaf after leaf in the index bundles till he hits the correct one with exact names number of brothers and sisters etc? Conclusion I have discussed many important points on nadi Jyotish as far as possible due to restriction of space from my experience. It is farther for the readers and experienced astrologers to get into real research into the mysteries of this nadi jyothish. Since this research would be very long time process involving lot of expenses, it will not be possible for any single individual to carryout this research. I earnestly request all serious research astrologers to come together exchanging their information freely on this subject, which is very easy now a days because of inter-net and E-mails. I also request the rich individuals, trusts, government, private agencies, Swamis, Ashrams help financially for this research. I pray God also to help all these astrology research aspirants to unveil the secrets of this ancient Nadi Jyotish uplifting the Vedic astrology for the benefit of world community. I also give my blessings to all those sincere young astrologers with their advanced computer astrology software to succeed in their research efforts. OM SHANTI. Feedback | Email Mr.Rayudu | Home | Back To Top